Curse

Bob Grunter · Jul 21, 2008, 08:11 PM // 20:11

i was wondering if replacing the n/rt healer in my sabway setup with an orders dervish healer would be better/worse

jiggles · Jul 21, 2008, 08:16 PM // 20:16

worse, the n/rt healer is the best in sabway due to the fact its got near unlimited enrgy. D/n healers dont.

Bob Grunter · Jul 21, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by jiggles

worse, the n/rt healer is the best in sabway due to the fact its got near unlimited enrgy. D/n healers dont.

arcane zeal provides plenty of energy to the d/n

Ministry Of Peace · Jul 21, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

The d/n is better IMO if you are running an imbagon paragon, but otherwise the N/Rt is better.

jiggles · Jul 21, 2008, 08:29 PM // 20:29

SR> an elite skill

cellardweller · Jul 22, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

The point of orders is to boost the damage of your physicals with oop and their own support capabilities with dark fury whilst providing passive healing. Sabway has no physicals so you're just getting mediocre healing.

-Lotus- · Jul 22, 2008, 04:17 AM // 04:17

the orders derv does orders. you might get a mystic healing every 30 seconds-ish, but it dosnt even compare to a warrior with orison.

DarkSpirit · Jul 22, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40

Orders is expensive so if you intend to use it, make sure that you have more than 1 physical character in the team, preferably have some that relies on adrenaline too.

I have tried using an orders/splinter necro, a cruel spear Paragon with Cry of Frustration , and a DA Paragon with Enfeebling Blood before and that works quite well. But that is not sabway anymore.

Richardt · Jul 22, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37

I ran a variant of the N/Rt healer that used both Dark Fury and Order of Pain. If I decided to run this build again, I would probably drop Dark Fury and keep OoP, and stick in another heal.

The idea would be that you would get the energy from SR and were able to put out the buffs like the D/N, in addition to having stronger heals.

It worked pretty good-you had to be pretty careful with the placement of your heroes-alot of time with saccing skills a hero will use them whenever they're under pressure-and the end result is that they would end up killing themselves.

DarkSpirit · Jul 22, 2008, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by Richardt

I ran a variant of the N/Rt healer that used both Dark Fury and Order of Pain.

I dont really like the Orders hero to be a healer. I know the idea came from Rac's D/N but many people, including myself, have seen that the D/N doesn't heal that well. She either spends too much time casting orders every 5s (using about 20e and sacrificing 34% of her life every 5s) to heal or she is spending too much time healing and not enough time casting orders.

I rather have the 2 hench monks to heal/protect with some heal/protect from the motigon than to rely on the orders hero healing, especially if you already have SY and TNTF.

Richardt · Jul 23, 2008, 05:18 AM // 05:18

I like having one of my heroes be a healer-I just don't trust the henchies to do it right.

Eventually I dropped the orders idea-my Kurz. rank is high enough that having DF didn't do much, so all I'm really missing is Order of Pain-but between me, Hayda and Livia we kills stuff pretty quickly, so OoP isn't missed that much.

So now I just run a Mo/E hybrid and I'm pretty happy with it.

DarkSpirit · Jul 23, 2008, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Richardt

I like having one of my heroes be a healer-I just don't trust the henchies to do it right.

Eventually I dropped the orders idea-my Kurz. rank is high enough that having DF didn't do much, so all I'm really missing is Order of Pain-but between me, Hayda and Livia we kills stuff pretty quickly, so OoP isn't missed that much.

So now I justrun a Mo/E hybrid and I'm pretty happy with it.

If you dont need DF and you have enough physicals, then you can try OOV. OOV and OOP require some investment in Blood, DF only requires 5 points into Blood. I think bringing a hero healer is alittle overkill for an Imbagon group. I have been through HM with my Imbagon and with just Mhenlo as the healer and it works ok, bringing Lina also is just an insurance. What an Imbagon+2 Para group needs most is more DAMAGE, especially AoE damage.

I made my orders necro use channeling for splinter instead of restoration heals. At least heals can be covered by henchies and my motigon, but splinter has to be brought by a hero, and splinter is just too good to miss out of, especially for single-targeting paragons.